The Ongoing Transformation
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Episode 85
The Future of Making Babies
Assisted reproductive technologies have helped many people have children, but the egg donors behind this process are often overlooked. Emily Packard Dawson discusses donors and the donation process, along with the ethical and policy challenges raised by advances in reproductive technologies.
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Edward You Protected America From Bioterror
Edward You worked at an unexpected place for science policy: the FBI. He shares how his experience as an agent helped reframe how the country protects biosecurity and supports innovation.
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Building a Tech Innovation Ecosystem in Newark
Newark, New Jersey is working to build a new, inclusive tech innovation ecosystem. Fay Cobb Payton and Lyneir Richardson share how Newark is pioneering data-led innovation with a diverse group of entrepreneurs.
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Who Sets the Standard?
Technical standards are the “the invisible infrastructure of modern life,” underpinning public safety, consumer protection, interoperability, and innovation. Laurie Locascio explains how standards enable innovation, and why more researchers should be involved with the standards community.
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How Cannabis Regulation Became a Giant Experiment
The legality of cannabis in many states has been decided by voters, not regulators, and it remains illegal at the federal level. How has this divide shaped cannabis safety, research, and policy?
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How Is AI Shaping the Future of Work?
MIT labor economist David Autor discusses how AI is shaping the future of work and the labor market on The Ongoing Transformation podcast.
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Bhavya Lal Charts a Future for Humans in Space
Bhavya Lal, a leader in space policy, shares the unexpected trajectory of her career. She discusses how policy and governance became her passion, how she went from writing reports to leading programs at NASA, and the big questions that drive her work.
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Making AI Chatbots Safer
AI chatbots generate conversations with users and can appear, at times, quite human. J. B. Branch discusses who is using chatbots, what the companies behind these AIs are doing, and how they might be regulated.
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Not Now, But Soon: The Art of Portraying War
Brigitte van der Sande has spent 25 years studying how war is represented in art—research that brought her to many active conflict zones. She discusses how art humanizes the victims of war and spurs action, and how humor and imagination can be forces for resistance.
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Not Now, But Soon: Losing Your Country
Nasir Andisha, ambassador and permanent representative of Afghanistan to the United Nations, shares the story of what it’s like to lose his nation, but continue to advocate for its people.
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Not Now, But Soon: Who Is Worth Measuring?
Julisa Tambunan explains why gender inequality is a disaster and how collecting better data—both statistics and stories—can help create a better future for everyone.
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Not Now, But Soon: The Food System is Rigged
Investigative journalist Thin Lei Win shares her experience growing up in Myanmar, and how that has shaped how she sees the intersection between food production, climate, and disasters.
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Not Now, But Soon: A Hurricane of Data
Steven Gonzalez compares the dramatic and immediate impacts of Hurricane Maria to the slower, overlooked disasters of environmental destruction and exploitation of human labor that support our data infrastructure.
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Not Now, But Soon
In our new podcast miniseries, Malka Older challenges the stories we often tell about disasters. What can disasters can teach us about our societies and values? And how can better stories about them help us build better futures?
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What Does a Cormorant Feel?
Brandon Keim discusses animal personhood, movements around animal representation, and cormorants—one named Cosmos in particular.
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Neil Chilson Helps Turn Knowledge Into Benefits for Humanity
Neil Chilson, head of AI policy at the Abundance Institute, discusses what it’s like to work at a policy think tank, the questions about artificial intelligence that motivate his work, and why he is optimistic about our technological future.
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How ADHD Affects Adults
Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder is the second most prevalent psychiatric disorder in adults. David Goodman explains how ADHD affects adults, the complexities in how it’s diagnosed and treated, and open questions for research in the field.
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Kelvin Droegemeier Articulates a Vision for American Science
Kelvin Droegemeier, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from 2019–2021, shares what it’s like to work on science policy at the state and federal levels, discusses what he sees as the pressing science policy issues of our time, and reflects on his leadership roles in academia and government.
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Using Storytelling to Investigate Scientific Questions
Fiction can be an important tool to explore complex science and technology questions. Arula Ratnakar discusses how storytelling can help both experts and nonexperts think about complex issues.
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Taylor Spicer Empowers Scientists and Engineers to Engage Locally
Taylor Spicer, executive director of Engineers and Scientists Acting Locally, shares how her organization helps scientists and engineers get involved in local policy.
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Music and Health: Your Brain on Music
What happens in your brain when you hear your favorite song? On this episode of Music and Health, Sweta Adatia and Fred Johnson discuss how music impacts the brain, and how music can go beyond entertainment to create stronger, healthier communities.
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The Rise of Deadly Fungal Pathogens
Angel Desai discusses what fungal pathogens are, why they are becoming more dangerous, and how the public health community can respond to this new threat.
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Minimizing Cannabis’s Harms to Public Health
More than half of US states have legalized cannabis, but it remains federally prohibited, which means regulations are decided on a state-by-state basis with little federal guidance. What are the public health implications of current cannabis policy?
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Music and Health: Dancing Together
Episode 68

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Misinformation?
Episode 67

Music and Health: The Creative Arts and Healing
Episode 66

Reindeer!
Episode 64

A Cutting-Edge Bureaucracy
Episode 63

The Hidden Engineering That Makes New York Tick
Episode 62

Ending Inequities in Health Care
Episode 61

Uncovering Hidden Bias in Clinical Research
Episode 60

How the Octopus Got to the Senate
Episode 59

Lav Varshney Connects AI Research, Executive Policy, and Public Service
Episode 58

Cool Ideas for a Long, Hot Summer: Indigenous Sustainability
Episode 57

Cool Ideas for a Long, Hot Summer: Refugee Communication Networks
Episode 56

Cool Ideas for a Long Hot Summer: Solar-Powered Canoes
Episode 55

Cool Ideas for a Long Hot Summer: Environmental Justice
Episode 54

Rashada Alexander Prepares the Next Generation of Science Policy Leaders
Episode 53

A Road Map for a New Era in Biology and Medicine
Episode 52

Brent Blevins Makes Mars Policy in Congress
Episode 51

How Can STEMM Do A Better Job of Caring for Its Caregivers?
Episode 50

Kei Koizumi Advises the President
Episode 49

To Fix Health Misinformation, Think Beyond Fact Checking
Episode 48

Amanda Arnold Sees the Innovation Ecosystem from a Unique Perch
Episode 47

This Eclipse Could Make You Cry–And Make New Scientists
Episode 46

Walter Valdivia Researches for the White House
Episode 45

Building Community in the Bayou
Episode 44

Alta Charo Considers Ethics for Stem Cells and CRISPR
Episode 43

Zach Pirtle Explores Ethics for Mars Landings
Episode 42

Turning a Policy Idea into a Pilot Project
Episode 41

Apurva Dave Builds Connections Between National Security and Climate
Episode 40

A Venture Capitalist for Better Science
Episode 39: Science Policy IRL

Quinn Spadola Develops Nanotech With Soft Power
Episode 38

Sustaining Science for the Future of Ukraine
Episode 37

The Complicated Legacy of the Green Revolution
Episode 36

Open Science: Moving From Possible to Expected to Required
Episode 35

Blue Dreams: Connecting People With Ocean Research
Episode 34

Secretary Ernest Moniz on the Diplomatic Role of “Cumulative” Science
Episode 33

Combating the “Multi-Dimensional Beast” of Chronic Pain
Episode 32

Artificial Intelligence and the Moral Imagination
Episode 31

Race, Genetics, and a “Most Dangerous Myth”
Episode 30

The Microscope and the Metaphor
Episode 29

To Solve the AI Problem, Rely on Policy, Not Technology
Episode 28

Finding Collective Advantage in Shared Knowledge
Episode 27

Confronting Extreme Heat With the World’s First Chief Heat Officer
Episode 26

You’ve Been Misinformed About Sharks
Episode 25

What’s Driving the Electric Car Revival?
Episode 24

Collaborations on Ice
Episode 23

Shirley Malcom – Where Science and Society Meet
Episode 22

Peaches, Pimentos, and Myths of Innovation
Episode 21

To Solve Societal Problems, Unite the Humanities With Science
Episode 20

How to Fix the Bus
Episode 19

How Can Clinical Trials Better Reflect Society’s Diversity?
Episode 18

The Forgotten Origins of the Social Internet
Episode 17

Fruitful Communities
Bonus Episode!

A Historic Opportunity for US Innovation
Episode 15

Biotech Goes to Summer Camp
Episode 14

Rethinking Hard Problems in Brain Science
Episode 13

Demystifying the Federal Budget
Episode 12

Chasing Connections in Climate Action
Episode 11

Can Bureaucracy Build a Climate Revolution?
Episode 10

Creating a “High-Minded Enterprise”: Vannevar Bush and Postwar Science Policy
Episode 9

Maximizing the Good of Innovation
Episode 8

Fighting COVID With Art
Episode 7

Shaky Science in the Courtroom
Episode 6

The Marvelous and the Mundane
Episode 5

Dinosaurs!
Episode 4

Art of a COVID Year
Episode 3

Eternal Memory of the Facebook Mind
Episode 2

Doing Science With Everyone at the Table
Episode 1

Science Policymakers’ Required Reading
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